Stat food

[Carbon]

I don't think that stat food has a place in a classic server. It is extremely unbalanced for non-trans. If removing it completely is intolerable, perhaps having only +3 and below foods; however, i think removing them completely would be a better solution. BTW: Martinet touched on this in his other topic, im just hoping to draw more attention it it. Ready~ discuss.

-Carbon

[Cuny]

you know its hard to get a real discussion from this. people who can make foods will want to keep them. people who cant wont. haha so i think now its up to tempura to decide if we remove them or not.

[Josh]

It should not be removed.

[Miyo]

Martinet Wrote:In the places it matters: WoE and MVPs, food gives a tremendous advantage. Anyone who says otherwise probably also thinks that racial modifiers aren't important either, and are content using non-elemental attacks to kill shit instead of actually looking up what works better.

Stat foods do not increase your damage THAT much nor do they make you invincible. Especially in WoE.

People are not running around with +10 foods.
People are using stuff like +3, +5 and +7 foods.

Don't forget. You die, so does you stat food.
People are dying so fast, they'll be popping tons of stat foods in that 1 hour time span....


Difference in power from a Trans using food and not using food is a lot more than the difference in power from a Non-Trans using food and not using food. Its balanced for Trans chars... but "extremely unbalanced" for Non-Trans?
....no....


+7 Vit Food example:
Like I said in the other thread. I'm using +7 Vit food currently. It gives me a crazy +265 hp! Totally un-balanced. I mean seriously. +265 hp! How are people supposed to kill me!?!?

+7% stun resistance, that sure is tough, wish they had some other statuses to be able to help people die.... oh wait....

By using +7 Vit food, makes those monks that are using OI on me do a good bit of damage,though. :[


Everyone can make food!
Everyone can make food, so its not like its unbalanced in that manner either. All you need is the cookbook, cooking kit and the ingredients. You only need to do the cooking quest to get the lvl 1~5 books and to be able to buy those cheap cooking kits that have a lower success rate. You don't need the chef hat to cook either.

You can easily ask someone who's done the quest to buy cooking kits for you.
You can easily borrow a cookbook or ask someone to cook something for you. I usually never do the cooking quest on servers I play on. I always just ask people. Its pretty hard to ask people for help, huh? :/

Miyo Wrote:People who only play a couple hours a week may see it as unbalanced because they don't have the time to make them, but that's part of the game, too. The people who have no life and play 24/7 will generally always have an upper hand. Does not actually make them better than other players though. That concept lies solely in a players skills. You see that in pretty much every game.

Here's a link to that other thread in case you wanted to look around on the stuff they're talking about.

http://earlyro.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=382&page=2



COOKING IS FUN!

[ninjaclip]

well what is the goal for this server bringing the game back to the old days correct me if i am wrong, and last time i checked the old days didnt have food so false advertisement much?

[Cuny]

i call for a vote of renaming this server to almostEarlyRo !

[Carbon]

Don't misunderstand, im not saying food should be removed because its "too difficult to make". My point however is that it has no place here in this server. Vit isnt the food to be concerned with, str, int and dex foods will be the problematic ones. Also, food IS more unbalanced for non trans. Trans have more stat points than non rebirth characters therefore closing the gap between using food and not using food. Now, as for your point about how people die tons in woe and therefore food isnt a problem- it is not uncommon for a precast character to survive an entire woe. One solid precast with everyone using stat food will have a big advantage. I'm not saying it is unbeatable, im not saying it is an end all: you must have food to win, and people with food will always win. There is always a way to break a defence in ro. My point again is that food does not belong in a classic server and will cause problems if people use it in the right applications in the right builds (already hinted at that). I guess the poll will be the final judge of how people feel about it.
PS: Miyo thank you for linking that other topic.

-Carbon

[Cuny]

thats the thing though carbon not everyone goes on to forums.So we really dont get the whole populations vote. i agree with everything u say and now im just waiting for an answer before i start playing

[Carbon]

Good point Cuny, perhaps if Tempura decides this is a big enough issue he can advertise this poll ingame to get a more accurate sample of the populations feelings on the topic. I'd appreciate it if we could get a gm response of "lolno" or if this is a viable change. If it isnt i'll begin farming food items and stop raising a ruckus xD

[Cuny]

yea basically now its time for a gm to settle this matter once and for all haha